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Dear Internet!

So, you kinda broke my email.

;)


I love you all dearly!! I have been trying to read everything that has been posted but, OHBOY, the amount of Livejournal comments have been huge!!

If you are trying to get a hold of me right away for something you need me to see, please go to twitter and mention @illadore -- and I will try to see it there. (Only do that if you're trying to contact me for something you need a response for right away.) Alternatively, try contacting me again via Livejournal.

Many, many, many shout-outs to reddit.com, fark.com, gawker.com, gizmodo.com, slashdot.org, Wil Wheaton, Neil Gaiman, John Scalzi, and dozens and hundreds of others. (Neil and Wil and Warren Ellis! My nerd life is complete!)

But the BIG THANK YOUs go first to Jeff Berry, fellow mediveal food nerd. He is the one who originally informed me about the magazine article. His blog is at http://www.panix.com/~nexus/cooking/

Second goes to Nick Mamamtas: http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/ -- He is the one who originally picked up the story and from there it went viral. Nick's an amazing author.

I am also AFK for the next day or so (I did not expect to get internet famous today!) but if you are trying to get a hold of me, I will do my best to get back to you.

Last but not least -- I have had no personal contact from Cooks Source. They have my number and my email and as far as I can tell, have not tried to personally contact me. I have had some people report that the editor responded via Facebook but it was...an interesting comment and not the response I was asking for. (Which was -- 1 apology on Facebook, 1 apology in the magazine and $130 to Columbia School of Journalism as a donation.) I am not actually sure it was a "real" response.

More later. Thank you all for your comments. Please be kind and remember the Golden Rule. Please do not harass the advertisers.

Monica
PS. And remember -- Be mighty!*



*Tagline from escapepod.com :)
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From:amergina
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:45 am (UTC)
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*mwah*

You're my favorite.
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From:illadore
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:49 am (UTC)
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Aww! Thank you!! :)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:58 am (UTC)

So sorry

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I'm so sorry this happened to you -- but now everyone knows who you are! :) I hope you get the apology you are asking for, and the donation too.

--another writer whose work was once published but was never paid
From:ext_310210
Date:November 5th, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)

The pin is mightier than the sword

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This publisher appears to have been stealing for years, and from some big names, all oblivious to her predations. Then came your blog of frustration, and the sudden daylight upon it, and now a thief's house of cards begins to collapse. It puts me in mind of a speech from Shakespeare's Richard II (which perhaps I shall be forgiven for using without permission):

For God's sake, let us sit upon the ground
And tell sad stories of the death of kings;
How some have been deposed; some slain in war,
Some haunted by the ghosts they have deposed;
Some poison'd by their wives: some sleeping kill'd;
All murder'd: for within the hollow crown
That rounds the mortal temples of a king
Keeps Death his court and there the antic sits,
Scoffing his state and grinning at his pomp,
Allowing him a breath, a little scene,
To monarchize, be fear'd and kill with looks,
Infusing him with self and vain conceit,
As if this flesh which walls about our life,
Were brass impregnable, and humour'd thus
Comes at the last and with a little pin
Bores through his castle wall, and farewell king!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 5th, 2010 11:21 pm (UTC)

Re: The pin is mightier than the sword

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That, my friend, IS in the public domain. Well done.
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From:mamaursula
Date:November 5th, 2010 05:32 am (UTC)
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Thank you Monica for the shout out to protect the advertisers, I'm sure they did not know that they were supporting such behavior. Have a good trip :-)
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From:illadore
Date:November 5th, 2010 09:52 am (UTC)
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Thank you!!!
From:phlegm_noir
Date:November 5th, 2010 09:15 am (UTC)
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I just don't think there are going to be any more issues of Cooks Source to print your apology in. If it were me I wouldn't pursue the matter any further. She might need that last $130 to fake her own death and flee to a country without internets.
From:ext_310479
Date:November 5th, 2010 11:36 am (UTC)

Can we link to your blog entry???

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Hey Sexy. I am putting together our A and S newsletter for the Middle Kingdom. May we link to your blog post on the Cooks Source piece as I think it is important?

Thanks,

Mike AKA Master LLEW
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From:illadore
Date:November 5th, 2010 12:49 pm (UTC)

Re: Can we link to your blog entry???

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Absolutely!
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From:glycon
Date:November 5th, 2010 11:46 am (UTC)
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It really is amazing to see the power of the internet. Last year, I got barred from our local SF convention here in Ireland, leading to all sorts of Internet shenanigans (here and here.) There was also a lot of discussion all over the 'net, and one of these days I mean to go track it all down, just for posterity. It really was astonishing to see how people rallied around what they saw as an injustice that needed putting right. This 'Internet Justice' phenomenon is truly fascinating, and I'm sure there's a thesis in there for someone, if they wanted to look into it!

And it reminded me of a little bit of plagiarism I suffered from myself: I wrote a review (here), which is closely mirrored by another review (here) by someone else, several years later. I wrote to the site, where the editor assured me he could see no similarity of any kind, but none the less assured me that the writer was 'no longer with the site.'

So, if it's any consolation to you, you're not alone. Plagiarism, editorial denial, and internet justice are not uncommon. (And, yes, in case you follow any of those links, I *do* have a bunch of different LJ accounts!)
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From:alphasarah
Date:November 5th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
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Whoa, lady, you are srsly Internet famous. I heard the story yesterday morning as "Some SCAdian had an article stolen" and then when I had time to read about it LIEK WHOA. So I'm telling everyone your story - my officemates just had a good laugh because we sure as hell don't let OUR students get away with this!
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From:pgh_anarchist
Date:November 5th, 2010 01:24 pm (UTC)
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Not sure about the facebook apology, her account and that of the "magazine" were hacked by someone. I didn't see one, but the facebook page kind of blew up with comments.

Your requests were reasonable, and fair. But since she decided to be an ass, her career is pretty much over. Sorry this happened to you.
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From:allochthon
Date:November 5th, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
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Wow, nice catch!
From:ext_309941
Date:November 5th, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)

Scalzi followup

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Here's a follow-up posting from John Scalzi that you might be interested in reading: http://tinyurl.com/23eyhgw
From:ext_309941
Date:November 5th, 2010 02:17 pm (UTC)

Re: Scalzi followup

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Let's try that again: http://tinyurl.com/23eyhgw (http://tinyurl.com/23eyhgw).
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From:noelleleithe
Date:November 5th, 2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
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I'm amazed and amused at how quickly this went from zero to LUDICROUS SPEED. I first saw it from cleolinda's Twitter yesterday morning, and since then I've seen blogs/articles/links about it EVERYWHERE. I just got it on Twitter for about the tenth time, from the Board of Editors in the Life Sciences (a professional editor certification organization), which retweeted a link to your initial post.

This could've been just a case of David vs. David, except that one of the Davids is an idiot and the other has a horde of Goliaths lurking in the background. ;)
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From:florentinescot
Date:November 5th, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
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oooh! Y'all are the folks that do CBE? I try and make my freshmen use it, but most won't listen. At this point they're too ingrained in what they were taught in High School -- but I put it out there as an option!
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From:labratting
Date:November 5th, 2010 02:37 pm (UTC)

Facebook response

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Here is the facebook response that was given, for anyone who was interested:

"Hi Folks!

Well, here I am with egg on my face! I did apologise to Monica via email, but aparently it wasnt enough for her. To all of you, thank you for your interest in Cooks Source and Again, to Monica, I am sorry — my bad!
You did find a way to get your “pound of flesh…” we used to have 110 “friends,” we now have 1,870… wow!

Best to all, Judith"

It's just as irritatingly non-apologetic as it's possible to get I think...
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From:yellowdoggrl
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:06 pm (UTC)
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Part of me wonders whether it might not be time to call off the angry mobs. Clearly Griggs was woefully mistaken, horrendously condescending, and all kinds of other adverb-adjective combinations that add up to "wtf, lady?" But having the Wrath of Teh Internets come down upon her is just as likely to have her dig in her heels and feel nothing but horribly wronged as it is likely to have her see the error of her ways and make a sincere apology for *being wrong.*

You've been nothing but magnanimous and pretty darned understanding, considering that it was your intellectual property that was stolen and that the Internet storm has caught you up a bit too... here's where you could use your newfound superpowers for good, calling for a little bit of perspective and understanding and calm. Too much of what we're reading now (not from you, and not at all your fault) is starting to cross the line into angry-mob bullying.

The story has become the kind of thing that could wind up with a more tragic ending than intellectual property theft or even the closing of a person's naively ill-gotten livelihood. If someone is as clueless as Griggs appears to be about why this happened to begin with, she's going to be clueless about the way to get out from under it, and with each new hour of vitriol and castigation, she's going to be more and more overwhelmed. We've all put ourselves in your shoes; help the multitudes step into Griggs' shoes for just a second and from there, just maybe, step back a little.
From:ext_309941
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:11 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately for Ms. Griggs, people have been going through back issues of her publications with a fine-tooth comb and finding ALL KINDS of copyright "lifts". We're talking about appropriating articles wholesale from people like Alton Brown, Paula Deen, Martha Stewart, NPR, Readers Digest and Disney. At this point, I suspect that the Internet Mob (tm) is really the least of Ms. Griggs' worries now.
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From:beccalynnlaw
Date:November 5th, 2010 03:48 pm (UTC)
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From:skyglider
Date:November 5th, 2010 04:34 pm (UTC)
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It appears they think you're done with this:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cooks-Source-Mag/159072764128073?v=wall

Cooks Source Mag We have apologized to Monica. Now considering that she is taking this no further, I'd suggest you do to.
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From:shmuel
Date:November 5th, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
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...if you believe that that's really their page, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. (I will grant that it's more subtle than the other hoax accounts, but really, "The previous regime has been removed"? I think not.)
From:kalayna_price
Date:November 5th, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
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Hi Monica. How does it feel to be flag the internet rallied behind to fight Copyright Infringement? Congrats, and thanks for sharing your story!

Plagiarism, copyright infringement, and pirating happens so much that sometimes I think the world has become jaded to the point of apathy. This sudden stand against it gives me hope. I added my own voice to the mix on my blog, if you'd like to check it out: http://kalayna.blogspot.com/2010/11/on-cooks-source-copyright-infringement.html

Best of luck in future endeavors!
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From:ogamiakira
Date:November 5th, 2010 07:23 pm (UTC)

Good lord...

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Illadore, I'm fascinated and flabbergasted. I followed the explosion of your story all evening, and last night at 3 a.m. when I Googled your name and the word copyright I got 41,200 hits. (Today it's down to a more sedate 38,200.) Your head must be spinning!

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From:illadore
Date:November 5th, 2010 11:23 pm (UTC)

Re: Good lord...

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Me too!!! And love and miss you!!!
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From:we_got_caught
Date:November 5th, 2010 07:28 pm (UTC)
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I would love to see an update from you on what today (Friday) was like for you. :)
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From:ursamajor
Date:November 5th, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)

tiny nitpick heads-up

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Psst:

"Gaudio says the overwhelming publicity (Boing Boing, Reddit, Gawker, NPR…) broke her e-mail. But here’s where it gets confusing: Gaudio now says she has received “no personal contact from Cooks Source.”"


I assume you meant no contact since the last email? If so, you may want to edit this entry to clarify that point. But PRK is questioning that for clarification (as is their responsibility, being professional journalists).
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From:illadore
Date:November 5th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)

Re: tiny nitpick heads-up

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I meant since Tuesday. Oops.

Do you have a link?
From:ext_310964
Date:November 5th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)

Cook's Source - What to do

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Monica:

I posted the "Like" below on the new Cook's Source Facebook page. You should establish a publication price list for Internet and print use, invoice the editor and send out an invoice update every 30 days until your fee is paid. If she refuses to pay, you can take her to small claims court or a state court. If you routinely register your published works with the Library of Congress (see below), you could take to her to federal court (but don't go out of your way to reveal information about this to Judith Griggs). Some publishing companies actually have insurance that covers payments for inadvertent copyright infringements, but these policies do not cover willful infringements.

My Facebook post:

Cook's Source Magazine editor and publisher Judith Griggs published a young writer's food story in print and on The Web without authorization. When questioned about this by the writer in a November 3, 2010 e-mail, the thoughtless editor insulted the writer's skills and arrogantly refused to pay for the stolen work or even offer a sincere public apology. After the author blogged about the unprofessional slight, Cook's Source received so many complaints on its Facebook page by November 4, that it had to abandon the old page for a new one, but is again being bombarded with new complaints. News of this little controversy spread quickly across the Internet in just 48-hours. Someone even posted a Wikipedia entry about the unseemly episode.

Read the writer's account of this episode here: http://illadore.livejournal.com/30674.html
See a wikipedia entry on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Griggs

I don't know this author but I support her and am disgusted with Cook's Source Magazine. Readers and advertisers should be too.

A suggestion to Editor Griggs: If you want to fix this with the author and the public, drop the attitude, post an official, PUBLIC apology AND pay the author a fair fee. Since you've already admitted to the infringement, I suggest $500 for a 1,200-word piece, plus treble damages (which is an accepted, industry-standard rate for willful, commercial copyright infringement).

Customarily, a simple treble damages formula is used to avoid a court case. I'm no lawyer, but I believe that this author could collect Actual Damages (what she would have charged) in small claims or a state court, even now. If the author routinely registers her copyrighted works with the U.S. Library of Congress on a quarterly basis, she can sue in U.S. Federal Court for Actual AND Statutory Damages. If an infringement is found to be willful and for commercial gain, a judge could treble the statutory damages. And since at least two separate infringements occurred (in print and on The Web), the combined statutory and actual damages then could doubled (a payment may be warranted for each separate infringement).

Editor Griggs: Do the right thing and fix this. Monica: You have to agrressively protect your copyrights, or lose them.
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From:missysedai
Date:November 6th, 2010 01:12 am (UTC)

Re: Cook's Source - What to do

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Monica: You have to agrressively protect your copyrights, or lose them.

That is incorrect. It is TRADEMARK which must be aggressively defended, else you lose it. No one has the power to take your copyright away.

Monica can only lose her copyright under two conditions: 1) she explicitly transfers the copyright to someone else, or 2) she has been dead for 70 years.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 5th, 2010 10:13 pm (UTC)
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Front page of cnn.com!

Fight the good fight.
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From:minstrlmummr
Date:November 6th, 2010 12:09 am (UTC)

I have to go write to Jeff now...

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Over the last two days, I've had occasion to be grateful to you and Jeff (and Judith) for having prompted the following pieces of wit:

--Noelleliethe's observation above re:"David vs. David etc."

--A FB commenter whose name I don't have, who envisioned Griggs' next project: a plagiarized cookbook titled "A Million Little Pizzas"

--Another FB commenter (Aine Hartnell, I think), who said "All your boulliabase are belong to us."

(Of course, some of the FB comments could be repeats--I think I've seen versions of "Griggs told JFK 'It's a nice day, take the convertible'" about four times...)

Best of luck!

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From:alaricmacconnal
Date:November 6th, 2010 01:15 am (UTC)
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With apologies to Edgar Allen Poe ...

Once upon a midnight dreary, Judith Griggs, she ran a query,
Searching for some recipe that had become forgotten lore,
While she looked at blog and site, one article it came to light,
A tale of two tarts scrolled in sight, written by one Illadore.
'That's the article,' she muttered, 'written by one Illadore -
I'll take this, and nothing more.'

Ah, distinctly she'll remember it was in the bleak November,
When a good friend did remember to send a note to Illadore.
'Your article I did this morrow, find in a mag I did borrow
I hope it's not to your sorrow - that this mag printed your lore
The words are not quite familiar cause they're modern not of yore
Wonder why they did that for?'

On that day did Judith Griggs not know of her large future burden
See a message waiting for her, from the desk of Illadore!
'Was there some mistake,' said she, 'with all my words repeating
in your magazine they're speaking,' wrote the curious Illadore
'Found by someone who was seeking,' wrote the curious Illadore -
That is all, and nothing more.

The reply was rather stronger, and also quite a bit longer
'Ma'am,' said she,'please do know that it was my bad, I do implore -
But the fact the internet is public so I took for my biz
Your words but just not quite as is, fixing them was quite a chore
I kept your name beneath the words, fixing them was quite a chore
That's what you should pay me for!'

Little did she see appearing, or she would be really fearing
When her words became well known, out there came a mighty roar!
From near and far the battle cry as fast as light did it fly,
Then Illadore did say 'Oh my!' and watched as the wrath did pour
Upon the mag and Judith Griggs she watched as the wrath did pour
And kept on coming, ever more.

Some future day did Judith Griggs, pack her bags and leave her digs,
'Cause careless words returned to haunt, words that she did say before.
Cleaning out her desk of papers, shakes her head at the 'nets capers,
Wishing for some cleansing vapors, gets her bags from on the floor,
As she walks her head a shaking, heard just as she shuts the door,
Judith Griggs cries, 'Illadore!'.
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From:la_peregrina
Date:November 6th, 2010 04:11 am (UTC)
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Oh, my, this is priceless! Thank you!
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