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Greetings, World!

Again, I would like to thank you all who have shown an interest in what happened to me. It is flabbergasting and overwhelming. Much love to you all -- especially those who have followed the golden rule (please use your powers for good) and have been nice to the advertisers. I would like to point out that 2nd Street Baking Company (one of the advertisers that pulled out of Cooks Source) has asked that if you would like to support those advertisers pulling out of Cooks Source, you can donate to the Food Bank of Western Massachusetts here - http://www.foodbankwma.org/

A number of you have also commented that you have donated to the Columbia School of Journalism. Good for you and thank you!

I am trying to read everything but, again, a bit overwhelmed with the amount of comments and information. If you really need to get a hold of me, please contact me at @illadore over at twitter.

Next, you all have been asking me a lot of questions. I have been trying to answer what I can but let's talk about some of the basics (as I understand them):

Plagiarism is when one takes another's work and basically says its theirs. If I were to take say take the beautiful poem "This is Just to Say" by William Carlos Williams and slapped my name on it and called it "The Ice-Box Poem," then that would be plagiarism.

Copyright infringement is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works. (From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement) So, if you were to take my copyrighted work and publish it for profit without my permission, that would be copyright infringement.

Those are the basics. After that, it gets somewhat complicated, which is why you get a lawyer. On that note, I have found a very nice attorney who is working with me. :)

Still no contact from Cooks Source since the Tuesday email.

I have no real plans on writing a cookbook -- there are some amazing ones out there on medieval cookery already, including anything written by Terence Scully (especially The Neapolitan Recipe Collection), as well as books by other authors such as The Medieval Kitchen. They have done some absolutely beautiful scholarly work on the subject -- I am just an amateur that likes to take those recipes and make them into food.

On that note, for everyone who said they were going to make my apple pie recipes -- awwwwww. You know just what to say to make a cook happy.

Peace out. Be Mighty. Follow the Golden Rule.
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From:Ronja Addams-Moring
Date:November 8th, 2010 10:32 am (UTC)

Very well done so far - stay sane!

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As someone who has taught scientific/scholarly writing since 2002, including all the sermons about Give Credit Where Credit Is Due and Publishing Venue Is Author's Decision - So Talk To Your Co-Authors Early, I am glad that you spoke up and that others noticed. The reaction was huge and not always pretty, but the core of it was about integrity. That is great! I will be using this as a lecture example and/or as base for a class assignment, when it fits the context and time available.

I hope you seriously won't try to read everything that has been written - you deserve your sleep and life.

When you have a chance, please either list yourself or link to a list of all the advertisers who pulled out (if others than the bakery have pet charities, links to them would be very nice, too). I will be sending information about those businesses to my cousin and all my other MA friends.

A very bright future to you - use this visibility wisely. Keep doing what you love, stay true to yourself. It will get less crazy little by little.
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From:illadore
Date:November 8th, 2010 01:52 pm (UTC)

Re: Very well done so far - stay sane!

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I am very much hoping for less crazy soon. :) And thank you so much for your kind words.
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From:we_got_caught
Date:November 8th, 2010 02:03 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for the update. You rock! Keep us updated!
From:ext_314139
Date:November 8th, 2010 04:41 pm (UTC)

class action suit

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If you are interested in adding more victims to your lawsuit, let me know. I too had content stolen with attribution.
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From:pink_dog
Date:November 8th, 2010 05:42 pm (UTC)
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Monica, don't think that as time goes by, people will forget all about this. Some people (like me) will always wonder what is going on in this saga. Please keep posting about it now and then as the weeks/months/years go by.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:08 am (UTC)
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This, please :) I find myself googling the saga randomly, in the dim hope there's finally been that apology. A real one.

Also, I do love your sock knitting, great colours! I have a bit of a sock fetish.
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From:illadore
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:29 am (UTC)
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awww! Thanks!! :) Socks That Rock are generally my favorites. And Koigu. And Collinette, and and and and and.... :)

I have way too much sock yarn. And not enough time to knit.
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From:susannag
Date:November 9th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
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I love sock yarn - and I don't knit socks!

There are some other cool patterns that use it, though, luckily for me.
From:bobmueller.myopenid.com
Date:November 8th, 2010 06:39 pm (UTC)
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Monica, are you willing to post the entire email Judith sent you? I know a lot of people are really curious about the entire context of the message.
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From:emt_hawk
Date:November 9th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
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I find it amusing that The Internet continues to kick at her facebook page.

I also was harassed by a "Joe Smith" who promptly vanished from posts both to me, and to the site.

Keep up the good work, and remain calm. :)

--Hawk
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From:kithlyara
Date:November 9th, 2010 02:58 am (UTC)
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Thank you for the update! I'm glad to hear you found a lawyer. I've had to deal with similar issues in the past on my own and it was most certainly not fun.

By the way, you're a writer with a penchant for all things Renaissance and into textile crafts?! I think I might be developing my own case of nerd love! Either that or we were somehow separated at birth because I'm totally into the same things. Do you sell any of the knitted socks you make? I could use yet another set to wear with my garb :)
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From:illadore
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:15 am (UTC)
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I am afraid I only knit socks for me and my mom. :) I am a slow knitter. (In fact, I am massively behind right now.) :)
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From:cosette28
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
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And baby nephews...
Please don't forget them now that you are famous.
;p
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From:illadore
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:29 am (UTC)
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Goofball. Like I could ever forget the bestest Nephews in the Universe. :)
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From:bunnyjadwiga
Date:November 9th, 2010 03:07 pm (UTC)
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Note: You Made Library Link of the Day

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/blogs/the-geek/the-cook-and-the-thieves-a-win-for-internet-ip/20101108-17jmf.html
The cook and the thieves: a win for internet IP [The Sydney Morning Herald]

P.S. have you considered picking up extra name-fame and money by speaking engagements for library orgs?
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From:crwilley
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From:ext_315443
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:35 pm (UTC)
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Monica, you haz a famous! Please, please please let us know how this all pans out! I am on the edge of my seat!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 04:40 pm (UTC)

Fight the Good Fight

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I am a professional writer and a programmer-analyst in open source technologies. I empathize with your situation. That Cooks Source has not responded to you since Tuesday's e-mail is abysmal. This magazine deserves a law suit.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 05:21 pm (UTC)

The Cooks Source homepage statement...

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How long has it been there? The donation they mention, was it the amount you requested?

Last month an article, “American as Apple Pie -- Isn’t,” was placed in error in Cooks Source, without the approval of the writer, Monica Gaudio. We sincerely wish to apologize to her for this error, it was an oversight of a small, overworked staff. We have made a donation at her request, to her chosen institution, the Columbia School of Journalism. In addition, a donation to the Western New England Food Bank, is being made in her name. It should be noted that Monica was given a clear credit for using her article within the publication, and has been paid in the way that she has requested to be paid.

I love that last line. How many times can these people miss the point?
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From:christinenorris
Date:November 9th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)

Re: The Cooks Source homepage statement...

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Seriously. She makes it sound as if getting permission was the usual course of things and she forgot this one time. Bull pucky!

She still has NOT admitted that what she did was just wrong and not 'an oversight', or for what she said to you in the email.

Not an apology, but I'm afraid it's the best you'll get, dear Monica. At least she made the donation (but I'd check on that if I were you.)
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From:zanzjan
Date:November 9th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)

Re: The Cooks Source homepage statement...

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As I said elsewhere in response to this latest post from Griggs:

"Disreputable people" are the people willing to call out a thief, while the apparent thief herself takes absolutely no responsibility for the act?

Sorry, but I find it implausible that articles were "accidentally" stolen by some unknown and ill-defined cadre of staff and/or writers -- if the articles were found by staff, the staff clearly understood the source of them, and if the articles were submitted by writers whose names weren't the same as the byline of the article, wouldn't deafeningly-loud alarm bells have rung?

She tries to portray Cook's Source as a champion of the little guy and an unfairly maligned agent of social good, but it's a for-profit magazine that seems to have systematically abused the rights of any number of writers, who are no less hard-working and no more wealthy for it than the farms and co-ops and restaurants whose legitimately-built reputations she is trying to shield herself behind. So this "apology" looks to me like nothing more than more attitude and lies.

As local to both Griggs and many of her advertisers, I will say that this incident has made me a customer of one business I'd never gone to before, and no longer a customer of several formerly regular places. Hoping they get their heads out of their asses so I can go back there with a clean conscience.

Edited at 2010-11-09 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From:theonemandikaye
Date:November 9th, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
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As of today, they have posted an official "apology" and statement on their website.

But I sincerely hope that they contacted you directly first.

I'd also like to know if they really did donate as you specified, or if they just said they did.

(And really... you should ask them if they would hire you to edit their work. Take a look at the atrociousness that is their statement.)
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From:infinitemorning
Date:November 10th, 2010 01:30 am (UTC)
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I find it hilarious that they're trying to get people to call Facebook with copyright infringement complaints over the reposts of their stolen articles. This is too little, too late. I'm ashamed to live in the same state as Ms. Griggs, and I hope she gets taken to the cleaners over this.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 06:07 pm (UTC)
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Their official "apology" is rather odd. They lead with a lengthy discussion of Facebook "hacking", and don't get to the actual apology for quite some time :)

The apology, when it comes, seems to be sincere, but the whole post is rather badly written for someone who expected you to be grateful for a free rewrite :)

All the best,

Nina
From:ext_315559
Date:November 9th, 2010 06:54 pm (UTC)
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i read there "apology" to me it seem like when my 12 year old is trying to get out being in trouble. Look at all the bad stuff every one did see it isn't my fault it was an accident mom i am not sure how my toys and clothes got shoved under my bed when i was supposed to be cleaning my room next time i will try better. However sadly i think it is the best Monica is going to get with out a lawyer. with a lawyer i think she should get more.
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From:master_simon
Date:November 10th, 2010 03:58 am (UTC)
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Oh yeah. The official apology reminds me of all the times I've had to kick/ban minors from under-18-not-admitted chat rooms I helped maintain. Somehow, even after they'd been caught in their lies, they would insist that it was totally not their fault, their cousin must have come into the room or something. It's amazing how many people think the whole Evil Twin/roommate/cousin thing is going to be a new and credible story, especially when told to someone who's old enough to be their mother or father.

Griggs may not have flat-out said that she was in the habit of taking people's stories without credit and even changing the names on them, but what she did say implied it strongly enough that this new claim -- that somehow a bunch of disreputable writers hoodwinked them by submitting unsolicited articles cribbed from elsewhere -- is ludicrous and makes me think of all those kids I'd kick out of adult chat rooms. "It wasn't me, honest! Look over there!"

The reforms they claim they're making to the magazine are standard publishing practices that they ought to have been doing all along. Any reputable magazine that reprints an article has, as a matter of course, source information including the words "reprinted with permission." (Oh, and actual permission to go along with it.) If Griggs really had the kind of editorial experience she claims, she'd know that, and know why that's essential.

Also, the whole thing about publications sending their works and samples of their works to her... uh, assuming that actually happened the way she described it, it didn't mean what she thought. That wasn't "crib this, please!" That was a standard publishing procedure to drum up sales -- send your books (or samples) out to magazines that serve your target readership so that they can write reviews or, possibly, give previews (with attributions and links to where people can buy the full work!) that will result in book sales. When you get those, in any field, that's how you give back; if Griggs had done a review of a cookbook, included a sample recipe and information about where to buy the book itself, she'd probably have been on safe ground, but that's not what she ever actually did.

I have a feeling that there won't be much left for smaller claims after some of the big companies get through with Cooks Source, but who knows? Hopefully there'll be something left for the wronged bloggers once the corporations are done.
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From:patrikia
Date:November 9th, 2010 08:18 pm (UTC)
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They seem a bit confused about what constitutes 'hacking', it seems to me.
From:ext_315559
Date:November 9th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)

wanting to help.

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I am a scadian too. my mother is a cook and has had someone of her work published online for different sca things. it would shock me if this had happened to her. i have been kind of in a pie baking phase for a few weeks now with it being autumn and had an idea that some of my friends like too. Baking pies and auctioning them off with he proceeds either going to you to help with legal fees if you need or to donate to a chairty of you liking. Basically i really want to be of help because if this had been my mothers work stolen form the Florilegium i don't know what we would of done.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 9th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)

bE MIGHTY

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You rock. Rather disingenuous apology on their webpage. Hopefully you'll get more than a belated honoring of your initial request.
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From:shananana
Date:November 10th, 2010 07:02 am (UTC)
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What the editor did was totally out of order. The funny thing is I kind of had the same thing happen to me, but with an online magazine. They stole the articles & layout from my own online magazine. I asked them to take them down & they took down their entire site & apologized.

It sucks that you got a half-assed apology from what is supposed to be a professional offline magazine. I like that advertisers are pulling out though. That is getting them where it hurts.

I'm also glad you got lawyered up. You have every right to be pissed & I hope you get something out of it. You know the old saying: karma is a bitch.

- Sha
From:thebarefoot.wordpress.com
Date:November 10th, 2010 04:58 pm (UTC)

WCW-The Icebox poem

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I have stolen the words that were on the blog and which you were probably saving for profit Forgive me the response was so harsh and so cold
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From:illadore
Date:November 10th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)

Re: WCW-The Icebox poem

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Oh! That's brilliant!!!
From:melbourneguy78
Date:November 12th, 2010 03:04 am (UTC)

Cooks Source

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You've no doubt realised that you're not alone in having to deal with idiots out there who have no concept of copyright :) I've had a similar thing happen working as a photographer, through finding out that a small number of people have decided to use my work to actively advertise their businesses without letting me know or compensating me, including having an Editor of a publication using one of my submitted photographs to advertise his publication on Facebook without letting me know or asking for permission, and who should have known better in his line of work. The writer of the article in that same publication decided to lift my photograph to use on her own website as part of her portfolio without asking me for permission or letting me know.

Anyway, just wanted to wish you all the best, and your apple pie recipe sounds amazing by the way :)
From:melbourneguy78
Date:November 12th, 2010 03:07 am (UTC)

Couldn't stop laughing when watching this :)

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From:shimmerngspirit
Date:November 12th, 2010 03:44 pm (UTC)
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I have the Medieval Kitchen. It's awesome.

I am so glad that you are standing up for yourself against these people. I am horrified and amazed that people who call themselves professionals would do this.

I thought this was the kind of things that high school kids did to get that term paper in on time.:(
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