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Johnny pointed out to me today the newest update from Cooks Source and from what I've read, I am portrayed as a big meanie. I should, really...like 100x really... just ignore it and move on with my life as arguing with people over the internet -- lame -- and yet I can not seem to help myself.

For the record, I will happily post all the email exchanges between myself and Ms. Griggs if Ms. Griggs gives me permission.

I contacted Cooks Source five times: by voicemail October 28th, by email October 28th, by email again October 28th, by email November 2nd and by voicemail November 2nd. I believe that was giving Ms. Griggs a chance.

Not once did Cooks Source offer to pay me in any of those email exchanges -- or donate to CSJ. The apology Cooks Source gave me in an email was "If you want an apology, So Sorry, Monica!" -- I took that as sarcasm. As for my emails being rude -- I was demanding that "this" be fixed. I had one line of my own email that was borderline - "I am somewhat confused that I have to explain copyright to a magazine editor."

I do not think of myself as a big meanie in all of this -- I think of myself as a woman as mad as hell for having her work stolen and then being talked down to like I was a child. As I said, again, it was the principle of the thing -- my work was republished without my permission, my copyright was violated and I stuck up for myself.

Lessons learned:

Pay the writer.
Be nice to people.
Be mighty.

AND on this, I hope, really really really, -- I'm out.
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From:we_got_caught
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
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That apology on the website is the biggest load of horseshit I have ever read. It is such a non-apology it's ridiculous, and Ms. Griggs' ego in posting that (poor grammar and all) is amazing.
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From:zanzjan
Date:November 19th, 2010 09:28 pm (UTC)
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also, although she says: "Winters are bleak in Western New England, and as such they are bleak for Cooks Source as well." in her shutting-down post, I would like to point out that the tiny little Massachusetts town I share with Ms. Griggs was looking very pretty yesterday in the sunshine, and with Cooks Source gone, it definitely feels brighter too.
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From:Wayne Chang
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)

She dun goofed

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Judith Griggs is absolutely delusional I feel bad that you have to go through this still, and that she goes on and on with her virulent brainfarts. You seem like a decent, humble person who genuinely cares about what you do, and Judith Griggs is a mean spirited bitch.

I wish I could shake your hand, give you a hug, and thank you for being a decent person in a world where Judith Griggs can prosper and go on unpunished.
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From:amergina
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
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What a load of hooey.

Her "Here's how it happened" does not explain how she accidentally ripped articles off of NPR, Paula Dean, etc.

It's not like NPR sent her a book of their website.

I think you should post your e-mails. You can always write a synopsis explaining what you're responding to and add some fair-use quotes from her e-mails.
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From:kejia32
Date:November 17th, 2010 08:01 pm (UTC)

glaring omission

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I'm sure Ms. Griggs has received letters from the legal dept at NPR and Paula Dean. If she closes down the magazine, those legal depts are more likely to shrug and let it slide.
From:phlegm_noir
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
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She never talks about any stolen article except yours... anywhere. At this point she's written enough words on the issue that she ought to have gotten around to that. Does she think there is anyone left who doesn't know?
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From:ariannawyn
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
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Oh. My. God.

At first I couldn't figure out what you were talking about, and then I went to cookssource.com and read the brand new piece of horse crap that Judith Griggs just posted. What amazing gall.

She ought to have learned a lot of life lessons in the last few weeks, but one she clearly hasn't learned is "When you find yourself in a hole, Stop Digging." She should have left the previous apology up, lame as it was, but no, she had to stir the pot again.

And the best part is that since she took her Facebook page down, she doesn't have to see the hate mail that crap will prompt unless people take the time to hunt down paper, pen, envelope and a stamp.

She can try to paint herself as the victim all she wants. No one believes anything Judith Griggs has to say at this point. As infuriating as it is, you're right, Monica, you need to walk away.

Big hugs to you.
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From:illadore
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC)
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As always, Arianna, you are the voice of reason.
Thank you. :)
From:jasonhillpdx.myopenid.com
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)

Shallow Apology Falls Flat

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The current apology posted at Cook's Source is nothing but spin. There is no excuse for stealing works from anyone. Even if you have every intention of securing permission later, stealing is stealing. Exhaustion is not an excuse. Bleary-eyes are not an excuse. Even the noble acts of highlighting small towns, (so you can sell ads in your magazine), is no excuse. Ms. Griggs was, that night, a thief.
Your actions were reasonable and should not be called into question by Ms Griggs. I find it shallow that she tries to paint you as a villain battling her do-gooder publication. She earns no points with me when she uses stories of those recently unemployed to justify her acts of thievery against you.
Don't let her make you feel responsible for the demise of Cook's Source. Everything that happened to her was triggered by her actions, not yours. She is the one who stole from you. If that shuts down the magazine, it is because of what she did.
I am inspired by your courage. Take heart, you will continue to be supported out here in the 'nets.
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From:keastree
Date:November 16th, 2010 05:52 pm (UTC)
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Mendacity really does need to be measured on the Cook's Source Scale.

100 Cheneys for that one.
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From:jillzz
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
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Sweet baby cheeses. Flabbergasted but not surprised really. That woman is a douche and utterly clueless. I'm really pissed off for you right now. I would definitely post up my side of the story and use fair use quote like someone said above.
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From:ratphooey
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:28 pm (UTC)
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What a sorry sack of lying liar Judith Griggs is.
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From:skyglider
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:42 pm (UTC)
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Another lesson for Ms Griggs - make sure you and your staff ask permission to use content from other publications. That way you don't risk further investigation into your content.

I commend you on how you've handled this situation. Ms Griggs has no credibility after all of this, and I don't think many will take her "Wah poor me I'm the victim" diatribe as anything other than a sad attempt at crisis communications.
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From:nc_bookworm
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Please post the emails. I think that it is going to be he said she said until we get the whole picture.
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From:mr_mxyzptlk13
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the fallout of when Paula Deen, NPR, et al. get around to really getting a hold of her.

It's clear she doesn't 'get it', in that the internet isn't a quaint little corner of the world. When the big guns get focused on her... well, like I say: looking forward to hearing about it.

In sadder news, I can't recall the last time I saw someone that much older than me act like such a victim.

In regards to this part:
For the record, I will happily post all the email exchanges between myself and Ms. Griggs if Ms. Griggs gives me permission.

What expectations legally are there for this? Why couldn't you 'publish' the back and forth?

Edited at 2010-11-16 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From:illadore
Date:November 16th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC)
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Lawyer says this is not a good idea. Ms. Griggs' emails are copyrighted by her. (Or at least, that's what the advice I have been given is and what the research I have done also concludes. More or less. It is a grey area and I am not a lawyer.) I can post short comments from them as fair-use but out and out copying her emails would infringe on her copyright.

And it would be entirely hypocritical for me to infringe on Ms. Griggs' copyright after I've been pissed off about her infringing on my own.

From:ext_311719
Date:November 16th, 2010 07:10 pm (UTC)
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To: Monica Gaudio
From: The Internets
RE: Judith Griggs

Monica, please don't feel that you owe any further explanation. Many of us have seen the spreadsheet (created by a wonderful group of people on Facebook) that details all the stories Ms. Griggs has borrowed from other sources. When Paula Deen and the Food Network are discussing matters with lawyers, Judith's "Oh it was only once and I was tired!" crap falls flat.

We know she's full of it. She knows she's full of it. She's casting you as the bad guy to try and save face. It's not going to work, and I (and many others) will enjoy hearing about the lawsuits presented against her in the future.

Best,
Ysabiau
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From:histocrat
Date:November 16th, 2010 07:11 pm (UTC)

From cookssource.com

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"Bleary-eyed I didnt notice it was copy written"

...she still doesn't really understand copyright, does she? Is she under the impression that if you hadn't put that © at the bottom, it wouldn't have been under copyright?
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From:jauncourt
Date:November 16th, 2010 07:57 pm (UTC)

Re: From cookssource.com

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That is certainly how I'm reading it. It is amazing that this woman still thinks she is in the right.
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From:florentinescot
Date:November 16th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)

I'm glad that it's all over

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... but she still doesn't get it. When Disney, Martha Stewart, et al. get through with her, maybe she will.

This quote from their web page makes me cringe and laugh at the same time. "I was able to show him all the promo books and articles we receive, all the photos we take and the "clip art" that is free for everyone." -- no, honey. Promo books and articles are not free for everyone. And sometimes clip art comes with fees and restrictions!

*sheesh*
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From:thespian
Date:November 16th, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)

Re: I'm glad that it's all over

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also while people were looking for the writing, I started in on the photos, because it was more challenging and I'm a geek. I found pictures from Real Simple (that was actually the trigger pic; the wine poached pear pic was so beautiful and striking that I had bookmarked the article, and knew the pic as soon as I saw it in Cooks Source), Hallmark Magazine and Everyday Food. Then I went on and found several copyrighted pictures from professional pumpkin carvers who patently did not give permission.

So if she showed the journalist such things, and he believed her....ugh.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 16th, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)

That can't possibly be a real apology

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She spelled the first word wrong. Literally, it took all of one word for this person to showcase zero writing or editorial skills. "Its sad really." It's = it is.

No well-schooled adult, not to mention someone who is an editor, could possibly make that many mistakes. This person botched plural words, punctuation, tense, verb structure, etc. And the continued typically non-American spelling of "apologising" sure makes it seem like this is just someone having fun with all of us. Am I crazy? Or is she just that awful? Is there any chance this is just some hacker/joker who wants to feed the fire? I enjoy drama and would like this to actually have been written by Judith, but it seems just too improbable.
From:ext_311719
Date:November 16th, 2010 08:23 pm (UTC)

Re: That can't possibly be a real apology

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Judith's message to Monica (But honestly Monica!) was written in a similarly horrible fashion. I'm convinced that Judith has never undertaken any sort of study that would qualify her to be an editor. I think it's safe to say the only reason she can claim to be an editor is that she created the magazine and appointed herself to that position.
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From:chocolatescifi
Date:November 16th, 2010 09:16 pm (UTC)
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I just went to the Cooks Source site, and as I read it, I started hearing Linda Rondstadt's voice in my head. She was singing "Poor Poor Pitiful Me."
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From:florentinescot
Date:November 16th, 2010 09:45 pm (UTC)
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This! Oh, yes, THIS!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 16th, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
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As someone who has tried and struggled to make a living as a freelance writer, what really gets me steamed about her response is how she defends her publication by saying that "all" of her writers work for free and that she "gives" them pieces for their portfolio. It is "editors" like this who make profits off of other peoples free writing that drive down fees for writers who struggle to make ends meet. We have to take assignments that pay pennies per word because there is always someone out there who is willing to write for free and thinks it's worth it. Not only is Griggs unaware of basic editorial issues her entire business practice is disrespectful to people who make a living off of writing.
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From:mamaursula
Date:November 16th, 2010 10:29 pm (UTC)
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*hugs* At this point, you might want to consider a lawyer. Otherwise, you will have to just walk away and ask people to stop updating you on it. You are worth so much more than this kind of abuse, it makes me so mad.
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From:keastree
Date:November 16th, 2010 10:37 pm (UTC)
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Honesty Monica, I see you putting together an excellent class on how Copyright, Attribution of source material, and Fair Use play into SCA documentation. As much as this whole business sucks, I can say that it is something I have been able to discuss at length with my kids, and it now informs the way they think about communicate information to other people.

:)
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From:illadore
Date:November 16th, 2010 11:19 pm (UTC)
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That is a most excellent idea. :)
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From:sugarglidergirl
Date:November 16th, 2010 11:51 pm (UTC)
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Okay, but you left out that you were RUDE AND MEAN to her for stealing your stuff! OBVIOUSLY she had to be completely horrible back!
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From:kayay
Date:November 17th, 2010 12:22 am (UTC)
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My thoughts on the matter are here.
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From:illadore
Date:November 17th, 2010 12:25 am (UTC)
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icon love!!
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From:mokie
Date:November 17th, 2010 12:45 am (UTC)
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Griggs is calling people rude and mean for pointing out that she's in the wrong. There's no need to post the emails; she would insist on her own interpretation of events regardless.

(Though some fellow listed as "senior counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C." says you could: "as long as you are the intended recipient of an electronic communication, you can do what you wish with it.")

If it helps any, according to folks at Facebook, it wouldn't be the first time Judith has lashed out in anger at those who've called her out on her misbehavior.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 17th, 2010 12:54 am (UTC)

Don't worry...

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...there is not a single person on the planet (apart from Ms. Griggs herself) who thinks you did anything wrong at all, and that won't change no matter how many weird, misspelled, deluded posts she makes. Monica, you rock. Go have a beautiful, fulfilling, happy life! :)
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From:anivyl
Date:November 17th, 2010 01:15 am (UTC)
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I don't think I have said much here other than friending you to see how the case expands and bellows.

Miss Griggs here has, again, written and shown the world how shallow and insipid she really is. As the net has ended up churning out, she has not only breached copyright in your case, but in many many cases as well. The way she has depicted it, it was as if it was only once, and in your case, that she was just tired and did a google on something to put up on in her little small town magazine.

you were right to feel indignant enough to ask for compensation. As far as I am concerned, you probably also did not expect this whole thing to blow up so much over the internet. I myself have posted indignant post that didn't go very far beyond my scope of friends, even though they were public posts.

how it turned out was, really, her choice of words in her email to you.

Don't let it get to you, her house of cards have fallen and that has caused her to constantly lashed out in lies and the need to find sympathy and strength from others. you are mighty.
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