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The tl;dr version of this post: My 2005 Ice Dragon entry, called "A Tale of Two Tarts" was apparently printed without my knowledge or permission in a magazine and I am apparently the victim of copyright infringement.

The story:
I was contacted early last week by a friend of mine who lives in the Northeast about my "As American as Apple Pie - Isn't!" article that was published in Cooks Source magazine, mostly to inquire how I had gotten published. This was news to me, as I hadn't ever heard of this magazine before.

However, some basic Google-fu lead me to find them online and on Facebook. In fact, after looking at the Cooks Source Facebook page, I found the article with my name on it on on "Page 10" of the Cooks Source Pumpkin fest issue. (No worries, I have screencaps.) The magazine is published on paper (the website says they have between 17,000 and 28,000 readers) as well as being published on Facebook as well.

So. I first phone the magazine then send a quick note to the "Contact Us" information page, asking them what happened and how they got my article. (I thought it could have been some sort of mix-up or that someone posted it to some sort of free article database.) Apparently, it was just copied straight off the Godecookery webpage. As you can see from the page, it is copyrighted and it is also on a Domain name that I own.

After the first couple of emails, the editor of Cooks Source asked me what I wanted -- I responded that I wanted an apology on Facebook, a printed apology in the magazine and $130 donation (which turns out to be about $0.10 per word of the original article) to be given to the Columbia School of Journalism.

What I got instead was this (I am just quoting a piece of it here:)

"Yes Monica, I have been doing this for 3 decades, having been an editor at The Voice, Housitonic Home and Connecticut Woman Magazine. I do know about copyright laws. It was "my bad" indeed, and, as the magazine is put together in long sessions, tired eyes and minds somethings forget to do these things.
But honestly Monica, the web is considered "public domain" and you should be happy we just didn't "lift" your whole article and put someone else's name on it! It happens a lot, clearly more than you are aware of, especially on college campuses, and the workplace. If you took offence and are unhappy, I am sorry, but you as a professional should know that the article we used written by you was in very bad need of editing, and is much better now than was originally. Now it will work well for your portfolio. For that reason, I have a bit of a difficult time with your requests for monetary gain, albeit for such a fine (and very wealthy!) institution. We put some time into rewrites, you should compensate me! I never charge young writers for advice or rewriting poorly written pieces, and have many who write for me... ALWAYS for free!"


I got nothing.
Scratch that. I sure as heck do. Let's go over the major points:

  • At this point, I am mad as hell. It is now the principle of the thing -- and I also can not quite believe that my copyright was violated -- and then I was informed that I should *pay them* for editing it for me!

  • The web is NOT public domain! Don't believe me? Try the University of Maryland University College -- or just Google it.

  • I should be thankful because I wasn't flat out plagiarized? Don't college students get, oh, I dunno, tossed out for being caught for plagiarism? How is this a valid argument?

    I have some ideas of where to go from here but I am more than willing to listen to other suggestions.



    EDIT: Nick does a better job of telling the story than I do: http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1553538.html -- Thanks, Nick!
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    From:stufff
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:08 pm (UTC)
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    Get a lawyer and sue. I'm a lawyer (not in your state, so can't help, otherwise I would gladly write them a threatening letter on your behalf), and I'll tell you this, the web is obviously not "public domain." You had a copyright on your work once you published it on the web, and he directly violated it. You can get more than $130 out of him.
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    From:(Anonymous)
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:10 pm (UTC)

    happened to me!

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    In a way, she's right. I had an entire article lifted, reposted, and my name was no longer on it. The worse part? The people who did it did NOT have any contact info or any place for me to leave a comment. Figures. Now I have updated my terms and conditions and I have a note at the bottom of website. I am covered if it happens again. :) Also, the URL IS FREE, the article is indeed yours. According to copyright laws, what they did is wrong.
    How nice of her to point out the editing. Yeah, that'll help! :P
    Just know you're not alone. :) http://www.specialneedshomeschool.com/
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    From:skybound2
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:10 pm (UTC)
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    This is just atrocious behavior. Someone needs to give that editor a crash course on what constitutes 'public domain', the usage of 'Olde English', and appropriate email response behavior. That email seriously makes her sound about 12 years old. The magazine should be appalled to have her on the staff.
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    From:barbarienne
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:11 pm (UTC)
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    (Here via Scalzi's writeup of the issue.)

    Wow. I'm pretty sure my entire reaction to that response would have been "Go F yourself" and a filing in court. People that stupid about the law need to be kicked in the head by actual lawyers.
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    From:(Anonymous)
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:16 pm (UTC)

    More Awareness

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    Just thought I'd point out, this has made the front page of reddit.


    Good luck, and stick it to them proper.
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    From:illadore
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:20 pm (UTC)

    Re: More Awareness

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    OMG!

    Umm!! Helllo redditors!!! ;)
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    From:ext_309358
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:19 pm (UTC)

    Mercy!

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    I like the "Some people think I'm great in bed, therefore you're lucky I screwed you" approach.

    Please let us know how this goes on. You just became a class project on ethics in our class.
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    From:illadore
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:21 pm (UTC)

    Re: Mercy!

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    How lovely!! And this is why I asked for a donation to a school for journalism. ;)
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    From:pingback_bot
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:25 pm (UTC)

    The web is public domain huh?

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    User neleh13 referenced to your post from The web is public domain huh? saying: [...] A friend of mine has a story to tell [...]
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    From:(Anonymous)
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)

    Wow. Just.... wow.

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    Here from Scalzi's Whatever.

    Good on you, and I hope the public-shaming-in-progress clues the editor into her atrocious behavior, and truly epic misunderstanding of both copyright law and "teh interwebs".

    And for what it's worth, I went and read your article on godecookery and, while I don't bake or have any particular interest in medieval pies, I thought it was a nice piece of work. It's kind of cool how you translated the recipes to use modern language and measurements.

    Cheers!

    Jim
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    From:pingback_bot
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:35 pm (UTC)

    Internet Fail

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    User tapati referenced to your post from Internet Fail saying: [...] The author's original account of this theft, along with quotes from Judith's email, is here. [...]
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    From:mikoy
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:43 pm (UTC)
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    Making Light is at http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/.

    It's totally worth reading, too. All sorts of goodness.
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    From:tewok
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
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    This is a pretty minor nit, but accuracy in such isn't a Bad Thing. You referenced a link to the University of Maryland. That link is actually to the University of Maryland University College, a different, though related, institution.

    Good luck with things, I hope you can make the weasels pay for stealing your work.
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    From:ext_309394
    Date:November 4th, 2010 03:00 pm (UTC)
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    This is not minor at all, it's theft pure and simple.
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    From:(Anonymous)
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)

    Lawyers love this

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    You can sue for copyright infringement. The beauty of this is that for every copy they published and for every set of eyes that saw it online, you can be compensated. This can work terrifically in your favor, costing them a lot.

    I used to own a writing company and my lawyer LOVED it when a client didn't want to pay for the copy they used. Slam dunk cases. Contact an attorney and go for it.
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    From:jellibean
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
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    Here via Twitter--and Re-Tweeted. Their FB profile says, "We know each and every one of our advertisers personally, and we stand behind their work one hundred percent."

    I wonder if their advertisers would stand behind the magazine's work if they knew that the magazine published your work without permission or compensation?

    I agree with the people advising you to get a lawyer. I'm hoping to be an IP Attorney one day, and what this editor did was beyond the pale.
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    From:ext_309598
    Date:November 4th, 2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
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    Yup, I would let the advertisers know what is going on. Hit these guys where it hurts.
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    From:michiexile
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
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    You now have been tweeted by Scalzi and retweeted by Gaiman.
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    From:illadore
    Date:November 4th, 2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
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    YEAH -- this has gotten a little cray-cray!! :)
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    From:amberdulen
    Date:November 4th, 2010 02:54 pm (UTC)
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    Batten the hatches, you've just been Neil'd. http://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/29673300750
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    From:illadore
    Date:November 4th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
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    I noticed that!! My life is complete!!!

    (Can we get @wilw? :)
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