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From:nc_bookworm
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Please post the emails. I think that it is going to be he said she said until we get the whole picture.
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From:quarkwiz
Date:November 16th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
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Yes. Please do.
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From:illadore
Date:November 16th, 2010 07:03 pm (UTC)
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This is not really OK and would likely infringe on Ms. Griggs' own copyright. See below.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 16th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
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If emails are copyrighted, then civilization is on the verge of collapse.
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From:liscarey
Date:November 17th, 2010 05:20 am (UTC)
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Emails are copyrighted; civilization has not collapsed. Yet.

Beyond the obvious (rudeness, arrogance, and a command of the English language that would embarrass a fifth grader), this is basic error that Ms. Griggs committed: She didn't have to notice the copyright notice on the material she took. Under existing copyright law, any creative work is protected by copyright the moment it is in fixed form.

Emails are copyrighted. Heck, our comments on LJ are copyrighted. Beyond limited quoting, no one can take them for their own purposes.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 17th, 2010 07:27 pm (UTC)

You should ask someone about that...

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No doubt they're covered by copyright, but citing them in an appropriate context should be fine. Of course I'd want some appropriate legal guidance before navigating that minefield. ;)

The ones I always laugh at are the emails with appended confidentiality agreements that I didn't enter into. Note to the world: you can't enter me into a contract unilaterally!

Sometimes I want to start putting similar contracts at the bottom of all my emails that entitle me to 50% of the recipient's salary, simply by virtue of having sent it to them. That way, those same people might "get" how absurd it is.
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From:alto2
Date:November 20th, 2010 04:20 am (UTC)

Re: You should ask someone about that...

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As someone who is required to have a confidentiality notice in her email signature, I'd just like to point out that it's got nothing to do with what I want to have in my email. If it were up to me, it'd be name, address, phone numbers, and that's it. If that. But the legal office requires it because of the work we do. It's not to enter a recipient into an agreement (because, um, kinda tough to do that without, say, your signature, which you haven't offered, and there's generally no language there that's binding at all), it's to cover the organization's legal ass if we mistype an email address and it goes to the wrong person. If you're so offended by that, then I'd suggest avoiding emailing people who work with sensitive information, because we're all likely to have a similar statement in our emails as a result.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 17th, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)

Copyright only applies to Grigg's e-mails

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You should be free without any issues to post your OWN e-mails while redacting Grigg's responses -- because you own copyright to those.

While that may not settle the issue of whether or not she offered to pay -- I think I speak for most people in saying that I trust your claims on this, and context from your responses may demonstrate it too.

It would, however, be interesting to see your e-mails just to lay to rest the accusations that you were somehow being rude or untoward, since that is more an issue of subjectiveness and context (not that you wouldn't have an excuse to be rude in response to outright theft of your IP -- but still interesting just to illustrate the situation further.)
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